Conversations For Transformation: Essays Inspired By The Ideas Of Werner Erhard

Conversations For Transformation

Essays By Laurence Platt

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Knowing In Order To

Napa Valley, California, USA

June 22, 2023



"What happened to me on the Golden Gate Bridge was I realized I knew nothing. Everything I thought I knew I only knew 'in order to'."
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I am indebted to David Kaplan who inspired this conversation.




Recently I happened to be in a conversation with friends during which one of them asked what "knowing in order to"  was, as opposed to merely "knowing".

If ever there was a distinction which could be said to epitomize being transformed, this is arguably it. It's also a distinction that may not be getable outside of the context of being transformed. Some of our verbal expressions are just that way: when they're spoken in a context of being transformed, they enliven certain distinctions and experiences of being transformed which are simply not present when spoken outside of the context of being transformed. It's true.

The words and language of conversations for transformation don't always fit colloquial use. There's no assurance dictionaries were written by transformed people (they probably weren't). Dictionaries were written deploying words and language for meaning, whereas the words and language of conversations for transformation deploy words and language for experience. And "knowing in order to, distinct from merely knowing" is language for experience ie for the transformation  of experience. While it's language that's easily gotten ie grokked  (as Robert Heinlein may have said) in a context of being transformed, it may not enliven anything useful outside of that context, instead causing more puzzlement than it's worth, obfuscating the possibility of transformation itself.

So ... what is knowing "in order to"? It's a good question I thought, a great  question, actually. Arguably it's the  question that gets to the heart of Werner's work: how is knowing "in order to" different than merely "knowing"? (getting / grokking the difference, provides a powerful access to being transformed).

My first take on an answer to that question was this: consider prior to being transformed, there's no "knowing" anything. Indeed, all there is prior to being transformed, is knowing "in order to". Knowing in order to what?  Knowing in order to avoid being conned, knowing in order to win, knowing in order to look good. In other words prior to being transformed, all there is, is knowing in order to survive. Prior to the onset of being transformed, I assert we don't know anything. We only know "in order to". Don't believe that because I said so. Try it on for size. Check it out. If it fits, keep it, it's yours. If it doesn't, discard it.

And ... so what?!  What's the big deal? What's powerful about this distinction? Consider it's this: in being transformed, simply knowing allows for presence of Self along with knowing - whereas knowing in order to survive, isn't conducive to allowing for presence of Self like a possibility  to be there along with it. Knowing "in order to" consumes the space of who we really are. Try that on for size too. Check it out. If it fits, keep it, it's yours too. If it doesn't, discard it.

Knowing "in order to" is all that's available prior to transformation. In contradistinction, simply knowing something but not necessarily "in order to" is the mature transformed distinction. Said another way, knowing "in order to" is the domain of survival, and simply "knowing" is the domain of transformation. So first distinguishing "knowing in order to" and then distinguishing not  "knowing in order to" ie just "knowing", gives an access to transformation. Try it on for size. Check it out. If it works, keep it, it's yours. If it doesn't, discard it. Oh, and all the friends in the conversation liked / got / grokked that - like a yardstick.



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