Conversations For Transformation: Essays Inspired By The Ideas Of Werner Erhard

Conversations For Transformation

Essays By Laurence Platt

Inspired By The Ideas Of Werner Erhard

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A Faster, Gentler Listening

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July 14, 2025



"The logic system of the mind is 'Everything is the same as everything else ... except not always.'."
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"Nothing compares 2 U."
... Prince
This essay, A Faster, Gentler Listening, is the sequel to Two By Four Tap.




This, the entire first paragraph of this essay, is a "heads up" for the rest of this conversation. A thing is what it is. Another thing, no matter how similar, is never the same (indeed, it can never be the same) as what that thing is. It, in and of itself, is whatever it is, whatever that may be. No two things are ever the same. Comparing doesn't do much good, except maybe to show off our mental prowess. That's what we're thrown to do. We compare that with which we're familiar to that with which we're unfamiliar as a means to explaining their differences even if doing so doesn't account for them. And that, by way of illustration, is what I'm about to do in this conversation. As I do, I invite you not to disagree with me or to agree with me, but rather to observe how we're thrown to compare when no comparison is required, indeed when things are actually beyond compare, or even when comparing serves no useful purpose.

There's nothing wrong with comparing. In science and scientific research, comparing plays a major role. But comparing without recognizing (or owning up to) our propensity to compare (our pull  to compare) carries with it a certain naïveté which only gets in the way of whatever astuteness comparing offers.

It is said that earlier iterations of Werner's work, the est  training for example, were harsher, more confronting, more "in your face" compared with the later versions like the Landmark Forum which, in comparison, are kinder, gentler - at least that's what people say  when comparing them with each other. People say the approach deployed by the the est  training was like a two by four across the head, while that deployed by the Landmark Forum is, in comparison, like a gentle summer breeze. My question is: what happened to account for these different approaches? The answer may not be what you expect it to be.

At first upon comparison, it may seem as if people who presented the est  training were harsher, more "in your face" people than the people who present the Landmark Forum. That would account for the difference in the harshness of their delivery, yes? But perhaps it isn't that at all. Perhaps the quality of the people presenting the material in both formats, is the same. If so, what accounts for the perceived difference between the gentleness of the presentations?

I assert it's the quality of the listening  (of the participants) in both presentations that accounts for the difference in the gentleness of both presentations, and not the quality of the speaking (of its presenters) that accounts for the difference. More than that, I assert the perceived harshness ie the absence of gentleness in the earlier presentations was not only necessary but intentional. It was applied as and when necessary in the same way as you and I go to our wardrobes to select clothing which is appropriate to an occasion. The fact that both deliveries, whether perceived as harsh or gentle, work so well is a demonstration of our ability to master our own Self-expression ie our ability to select and master a format that reaches the listening into which we speak.

As for how it's the quality of the listening of its participants that determines the quality of the presentation of Werner's work (that is to say its harshness or its gentleness) and not the quality of the speaking of its presenters, that's  a matter of the participants' resistance to or eagerness for transformation. What does that actually mean? Why would the way I listen as a participant, determine and cause the way the presenters of Werner's work to be any different?

Earlier presentations of Werner's work occurred in a zeitgeist  in which receiving transformation (particularly, in which receiving transformation over three days) simply wasn't possible. Participants resisted, pushing back. Werner pushed back harder ie harsher. Later presentations of Werner's work occurred in a zeitgeist in which receiving transformation (particularly, in which receiving transformation over three days) had been proven over and over and over again and again and again. Participants didn't resist. Whatever Werner was offering, they wanted it. With less resistance, things moved a lot faster and gentler.



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